Great Quotes

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The late comic book writer/editor Mark Gruenwald, who produced some memorable runs on Captain America and The Avengers had some very good thoughts on many comic books characters in famous books of all sorts:

"Every character is somebody’s favorite. You shouldn’t kill them off lightly, or worse, ruin their old appearances in retrospect." -- Mark Gruenwald

During 2004, I've been thinking about that one a lot too. And believe me, it certainly does have something to it, which is why this weird disease for killing off characters in both the DC and Marvel universes must be stopped somehow.

Two great lines spoken by two great Outsiders in Adventures of the Outsiders #36, August 1986:

"True honor comes from within. Still, the gesture is appreciated." -- Katana

"Medals are fine, but the lives saved -- that's what counts!" -- Black Lightning

Now that's saying something there, folks! Right on! And whom do we have to thank mainly for those fine lines of honor? Mike W. Barr, one of the greatest comics writers and editors of our times, who also worked wonder with Batman's own solo books years ago, and one of the few true liberals who can write with a heart of gold. Three cheers for Barr, I say!

Now, here's a very good observation from someone who knows a lot about history, because he's lived it:

"The past and present must work together, not independently. One learns from the other -- rejecting the bad, accepting the good." -- Hawkman, Flash Comics # 67 Volume 1.

Well said, Winged Warrior! To build our future, we must learn from the past.

"Bigots always have the same modus operandi. First, they declare you inferior; then they systematically make it illegal for you to prove you're not. In their hearts, they know you're not inferior - they just want a huge slice of the pie." -- Mavis Leno, chairwoman of the Afgan Women's Rights Movement

I once knew a very obnoxious, arrogant teenager like that, who constantly acted like a know-it-all, was anti-American, anti-Israel, against the war in Iraq, a FOXophobe, and even a terrorist supporter. He tended to waste his time on Hero Realm, which sunk to a low level in late 2003, and he was really, really stupid.

People like that give a whole new meaning to the term "children should be seen and not heard."

"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us" -- Golda Meir

Israel's first female prime minister was absolutely correct. Only when the Arab world truly begins to teach its children about friendship and democratic values will any good relations be achieved between Israel/western society and the Arab world.

"History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap." -- Ronald Reagan

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

"America is often portrayed as an ignorant, unsophisticated sort of place, full of bible bashers and ruled to a dangerous extent by trashy television, superstition and religious bigotry, a place lacking in respect for evidence based knowledge. I know that is how it is portrayed because I have done my bit to paint that picture..." -- BBC's Washington correspondent Justin Webb, in a remarkably frank admission of his role in misinforming the British public about America and Americans

Well now, isn't that amazing! A member of Britain's worst TV and radio network actually admits to what they typically tend to do: spread misinfo and lead to incitement, against both the US and Israel!

But the road to stopping this nonsense is far from over, that's for sure.

"Not the Justice League of America. The Justice League. Period." -- Maxwell Lord, Justice League No. 1

From a great humor series by Bob Rozakis:

Denton: "Maze, I don't want to hurt your feelings! But -- I worry ... I care ... Don't you know they all laugh at you? ... Don't you know they don't like you?"

Maze: "Oh, Denton ... I know they laugh. I know I must look silly. And if they don't like me, well, that's okay. I like them! I do what I do because ... it's my job ... I have to do it!" -- 'Mazing Man No. 1.

Man, isn't this some of the most wonderful stuff available from DC?

"Music is the universal language of mankind." -- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

"There's nobody around ... which is odd when you consider no one knew we were coming!" -- Mark Evanier, Sergio Aragones Massacres Marvel

What's funny about the above is that it reminds me of that old movie from 1970, "Suppose they gave a war and nobody came?" Man, that Evanier can sure be clever!

Two great ones by Orwell:

"Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them."
-- George Orwell

"You cannot reason a man out of a position that he has not been reasoned into in the first place." -- Orwell

"People are entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts." -- Vincent Bugliosi

Three great ones from Sir Winston Churchill:

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter."
-- Sir Winston Churchill

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -- Sir Winston Churchill

"We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed" -- Winston Churchill

"The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."  --Archilochus

Now here's a little something to think about, that, most disturbingly enough, many of the people who fawned over DC Comics' Identity Crisis did not. It's written by Chris Claremont, and after reading it, I'm beginning to wonder to myself if the real reason anyone would dislike his work today is out of pure moonbattery:

"There I was, pregnant by an unknown source, running through a nine-month term literlly overnight -- confused, terrified, shaken to the core of my being as a hero, a person, a woman.

I turned you for help, and I got jokes. The Wasp thought it was great, and the Beast offered to play teddy bear. Your concerns were for the baby, not for how it came to be, nor of the cost to me of that conception. You took everything Marcus said at face value. You didn't question, you didn't doubt. You simply let me go with a smile and a wave and a bouncy bon voyage. That was your mistake, for which I paid the price.

My mistake was in trusting you." -- Carol Susan Jane Danvers, alias Ms. Marvel 1/Binary/Warbird, to a whole bunch of other members of the Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Avengers Annual #10, 1981.

Do you see an argument or a defense as sincere as the above so often in comic books today? The best answer is...probably not. But it most certainly provided something to think about at the time it was written, as a followup to the storyline featured in Avengers #200 from October 1980, a few months earlier. The lady with one of the most adorable names in the MCU, a figure who'd sometimes been appreciated by a lot of female readers for the fact that she represented an independant thinker in career working women, had been through the miserable realization that the incarnation at the time of Marcus Immortus, this being a time-limbo dwelling figure who couldn't stand being stuck in the kind of existence he was, and who was hoping for a chance to enable himself to live in the regular plane of existence as well, went and brainwashed Carol Danvers into becoming his love slave, not giving her a chance to even object, since he'd already seen to that she'd be entirely his, courtesy of the technology at his disposal. After having taken the time to enjoy using her as said love slave, he transferred her back to earth, but, in a most creepy story element, inserted himself inside her in a way resembling pregnancy, in hopes of being able to put together the exact techno-concepts that would enable him, upon his accelerated "birth" to live in the regular earth plane as well.

Captain America for one had actually been wondering as to who the father was (and was somewhat bothered when Marcus, when slowly growing into his regular age again, said that he was the father, which was true, but understandably baffling for the Star-Spangled Avenger to have to hear), and it was thanks to Hawkeye, who'd become suspicious, that Marcus' attempts to build a device that could provide him with what he wanted got scuttled. Yet, even they bought into what Immortus had to say at face value, and did not question him at all when allowing him to depart with Carol, who was still under his influence and ended up saying things that helped to back his position, through no fault of her own. But after Thor had helped transport them back to the limbo world Immortus dwelled in, that's when, a few days later, thanks to some after-effects of his time in the real world, he ended up aging faster...and perishing.

Carol was then freed from under his influence, and while it may have been brainwashing she underwent, she was still quite understandably angry and insulted at her being exploited by this other-worldly jerk. She went and used some of his transporter technology to return to the regular world, packed her bags and headed off for California without letting the other Avengers know, because she felt they had betrayed her in her time of need.

In a way, I've felt almost the same thing about people in real life, who fawned over the artistic catastrophe of DC's own publicity stunt miniseries, Identity Crisis. The moral questions surrounding the story's structure never came into focus among a lot of the people who were siding with it until the very end, and nobody questioned why Sue Dibny disappeared from the proceedings for almost the entire proceedings, and her personal viewpoint was never shown in genuine, meat-and-potatoes perspective. Nor did they question why practically all the female characters in the miniseries were written one-dimensionally, or if it was in character for any of the protagonists/antagonists involved.

Most chilling, however, was when I came upon more than a few threads at the Captain Comics forum that seemed to indicate that the man the site was named after was more interested/concerned in what the heroes did to Dr. Light in retaliation for his crime against Sue by brainwashing him than in Sue herself and what Dr. Light did to her.

Seeing that, I was forced to ask myself: what kind of man is this, who considers the actions taken against a criminal who committed an offensive crime against a defenseless woman more important than the criminal's evil deed itself? The answer to that came when reading an interesting article from The American Spectator by P. David Hornik in which the following explanation for why leftists won't condemn terrorism, a point that can be valid not just in Israel, but even in United States, is presented:
"Subconscious identification with the aggressor. This is clearly the most problematic category. Many leftists, especially more radical ones, are known to be people who nurse anger at their parents, and at their society as an extension of their parents. Leftists who seem stuck on the idea that we would "do the same thing" if we were Palestinians, or Muslims, are the most suspect of harboring such feelings. The most virulent Israeli leftists have been known, indeed, to express such feelings openly when the victims of attacks are settlers, a group they hate. While not encountering such sentiments firsthand, in a couple of cases -- the most socially problematic -- I've sensed them lurking."
And in the world of comic book news, Capt. Comics and the Legion of Superfluous Leftists may very well be, if not a first-hand encounter, then certainly a sensing of such sentiments lurking within the vicinity. Such sentiments are also sometimes known as Stockholm Syndrome, more on which can be read about here. Be it far from me to really judge, what I can say for now is that, when I think of it, who knows, there may be something to it.

On the other hand, if there's anything I most certainly did see there, not too surprisingly, was a lot of hostility, almost to the point of bigotry, against what should've been the real headline of 2004, that being the return of Kara Zor-El, known to many as Supergirl, to prominence in the DCU. Captain Comics, not too surprisingly, had nothing to say in his newspaper column about the beautiful young Kara's return to her well-deserved place in the spotlight, and probably not in his Comics Buyer's Guide column either. And that's a shame, since Kara is the one who really deserves the headlines, not some filthy gutter-stemming story involving not just a rape done in poor taste, but even a vomiting and a strangle-like act of violence against two other women as well!

Perhaps just as importantly, I also noticed something far too many people of the Captain's standing seem to have a problem with as well these days: being so disliking of Chris Claremont that they show no thanks for writing one of the most thoughtful stories from Marvel's libraries during the Bronze Age of comics. Which is also quitely simply a shame, since, for anyone familiar with some of, if not all of, Claremont's stories over the years, isn't it obvious that he's got some kind of affection for women? Avengers Annual #10 certainly showed it, and it's a story to be lauded for its sincerity in human interest themes. Yes, Claremont does have his downside, and even today, I'm really angry at how the Phoenix story was repeatedly recycled ad nauseam over the years, given how atrocious and nigh-stereotypical the whole thing was to begin with, whether it's him or any other writer to regurgitate it. But when it comes to real girl power, used in the name of goodness, that's where he really shines.

And I'm certainly not going to be taking Captain Comics and the Legion of Superfluous Moonbats for granted when it comes to things like being a girl-phile.

An excellent one from an Israeli politician:

"There have been many periods in history when the nation did not identify the dangers in time. It's not enough to be strong. We must see the danger and act sensibly." -- Benjamin Netanyahu

Well said.

"Ethics are situational. What's a crime in peace is an act of patriotism in war." -- The Question #7, August 1987

Another great observation from the great Denny O'Neil, who wrote one of the best takes on the Charlton character when all of the now defunct company's properties moved under DC's own umbrella. His take will decidedly never be surpassed by anyone else.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

It's a pity modern superhero comic publishers won't consider any of that.

"I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

Another excellent quote by a true master.

Now, here's something to consider from the works of Winston Churchill, one of the few people in England who truly understood Islam. The following he wrote in his book The River War, based on his experience in Sudan during the Kitchener campaign:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome." -- The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899

Very, VERY perceptive!

"If your opponent is quick to anger, seek to irritate him." -- Sun Tzu

Now, here's a great one from Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion:

“No Jew is at liberty to surrender the right of the Jewish Nation and the Land of Israel to exist. No Jewish body is sanctioned to do so. No Jew alive today has the authority to yield any piece of land whatsoever. This right is preserved by the Jewish people throughout the generations and cannot be forfeited under any circumstance. Even if at some given time there will be those who declare that they are relinquishing this right, they have neither the power nor the jurisdiction to negate it for future generations to come. The Jewish Nation is neither obligated by nor responsible for any waiver such as this. Our right to this land, in its entirety, is steadfast inalienable and eternal. And until the coming of the Great Redemption, we shall never yield this historic right.” -- David Ben-Gurion

Well said, bravo!

"Zionism is nationalism whose aim is not power but dignity and health." -- Albert Einstein

"There are no bad characters only bad writers" -- Neal Adams

It took a long time for me to figure out who might have said the above, but now, I have been able to, and thankfully so, I'm telling you! Good ol' Neal said something very correct, more so than you think, when he pointed out the fact that many fictional characters in comics are just that and nothing more. Why then won't some people understand that if they find the way a character is written bad, that it's not the character's fault? Adams' fine statement is one that demands serious consideration.

"A bikini is not a bikini unless it can be pulled through a wedding ring." -- Louis Réard

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose it's freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is money or comfort that it values more, it will lose that, too." --W. Somerset Maugham

"To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." -- Thomas Jefferson, September 20, 1810

"The past and present must work together, not independently. One learns from the other -- rejecting the bad, accepting the good." -- Hawkman, Flash Comics #67 Volume 1.

"When you have strict censorship of the internet, young students cannot receive a full education. Their view of the world is imbalanced. There can be no true discussion of the issues." - Ai Weiwei

"The last refuge of evil is the attribution of its own worst qualities to its enemy!" - spoken by Kry'ssma in The Green Lantern Corps #207, December 1986

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